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Batiste v. Ethicon trial: An unexpected emotional rollercoaster in Texas

by Aaron Leigh Horton 

Aaron and Linda

Aaron and Linda

Aaron Leigh Horton arrived in the Dallas courtroom this morning, Monda,y March 24, to continue witnessing the trial of Linda Batiste v. Ethicon, now in its second week. Aaron, The Mesh Warrior, reports she had to leave the courtroom during some of the morning testimony because of the emotional toll it took on her with a family member suffering from a polypropylene (PP) plastic mesh implant.

The following observations are in her words:

 

The jurors in the Batiste v. Ethicon case are taking notes and the women are very attentive this morning. Men of the jury are intensely focused on the lawyers for Ethicon, primarily presenting attorney William Gage, of Butler Snow here  presenting for the first time today on behalf of the healthcare giant.”  Gage was the attorney who represented J&J in the federal case, Carolyn Lewis v. Ethicon (part of the MDL) last month in Charleston, WV.

Judge Ken Molberg

Judge Ken Molberg

Ms. Batiste’s case is being held in Texas State courts, presided over by Judge Ken Molberg, as the case was originally a medical malpractice suit, which is brought to trial in a state’s jurisdiction.

Linda Batiste (L.B.) has spent the majority of her 64 years in Dallas. On January 12, 2011 she was implanted with an Ethicon TVT-O PP mesh by Dr. John Robert McNabb at the Baylor Medical Center as a treatment for stress urinary incontinence.

Interestingly, the implanting surgeon in the Lewis trial, Dr. Muriel Boreham, is also with Baylor Medical Center of Dallas.

tvt0The TVT-O was launched by Ethicon, in 2004 as an update to the TVT (transvaginal tape). The “O” stands for obturator approach, a new way to attach the mesh inside the pelvis as opposed to the retropubic approach.  The obturator approach has been proven through several peer-reviewed studies to have a much greater change of injuring the obturator nerve, which among other functions, controls the adduction movements of the leg.

At some point some jurors looked shocked and angry, shaking their heads and wincing at graphic slides and the Ethicon-produced training video (for doctors) they were shown by the plaintiff’s counsel.  Other times, mostly the male jurors (and there are seven, seven women also) appeared to be laughing as the defense team seemed disorganized, looking for files, exhibits and being corrected often by the expert witness, Dr. M. Tom Margolis, a urogynecologist and female pelvic surgeon from the San Francisco Bay area here.

The women were fastidiously taking notes.

Dr. M. Tom Margolis, urogynecologist

Dr. M. Tom Margolis, urogynecologist

On the stand Monday, Dr. Margolis has long been vocalizing his aversion for any use of the surgical polypropylene or in his words, “any kind of synthetic mesh.” 

He has never implanted synthetic mesh in any woman for SUI or POP, and he prefers to use organic materials, including the woman’s own tissue (medically referred to as a “fascia,” harvested from the patient’s thigh).  His preference is to use human fascia, sterile bovine (cow) or porcine (pig) tissues to reinforce sagging or weakening pelvic tissues.

He appeared at the Food and Drug Administration’s expert gathering on transvaginal mesh in September 2011 to testify that delivery of the permanent polypropylene (PP) implant through the vagina (transvaginal) introduced the material through a clean/contaminated field, which violates “all acceptable surgical practices.”

William Gage, Butler Snow, attorney for Ethicon

William Gage, Butler Snow, attorney for Ethicon

Gage was solicitous towards Dr. Margolis, almost appearing to go overboard with familiarity, saying, “I feel like I already know you, as I’ve read so much of your research and other work.”

Dr. Margolis said in response, “Well if you knew me that well, you wouldn’t get that close.”

The jury and courtroom could be heard audibly laughing in response.

Dr. Margolis was brought on the stand to talk about the fact that he currently performs at least three and sometimes up to five surgeries per week to explant synthetic (PP) mesh products, including the TVT-O, which have caused patients what, at this time, seem to be irreversible adverse events.  He commented that there appears to be an uptick in the need for explants, which he experiences in his everyday urogynecologic practice. Testifying to the 14 jurors, Margolis said there are more than 200 other procedures/alternatives to synthetic mesh products, like Ethicon’s TVT and TVT-O products.

TVT-O from TVT Meshed Up Mesh, UK

TVT-O from TVT Meshed Up Mesh, UK

Dr. Margolis stood up on the stand to explain one procedure he often uses and what the fascia sling is: a tendon harvested from a patient, a tendon which is one of the strongest in the body, and thus, used for repair of pelvic injury.  In the morning he also made a good point of how misleading Ethicon has been in calling the TVT and TVT-O procedures “minimally-invasive” particularly with regard to the size of the incisions used for organic transvaginal procedures or abdominal procedures.

He used Ethicon’s own marketing materials to illustrate his point.  Instead of a long incision from the knee to hip bone (shown on the Ethicon-produced slides), Dr. Margolis said a fascia harvest could be done with an incision from 0.5 to 1 cm long.

Mr. Gage at one point on cross-examination spent an inordinate amount of time trying to scrutinize how much money Dr. Margolis is paid as an expert witness. While $500 an hour is customary for any expert, Dr. Margolis said he makes $350 an hour to review documents in preparation for trial, $500 an hour for depositions and $2,000 a day to testify in trial.

Mr. Gage attempted to show a study from 1987, by Galloway et. al regarding the Burch procedure and using sutures alone to correct SUI which indicated a return of the condition of SUI in many of the patients in the study here.

Trying to show Dr. Margolis that the Burch and Colposuspension procedures are also invasive, Mr. Gage goes back to the 1987 study again and again, and Dr. Margolis corrected Mr. Gage many times, especially over whether the procedures have to be redone and how they are redone.

Aaron Horton

Aaron Horton

The doctor informed the jury that a 1987 study and the terminology used in it are old and outdated, as new terminology, methodology and vernacular has developed over the more than 25 years since the 1987 study (produced by Ethicon as its first supporting documentation/study presented on cross-examination of Margolis).

Mr. Gage, highlighted in yellow the conclusion of the 1987 Burch Procedure study, saying “Not a very good outcome is it?”  Dr. Margolis agreed saying the study only used 50 individuals, “so it’s not a very good or valid study at all, since the series (meaning patient population measured in the study) is not large enough in my opinion to produce clinically significant results.”

A few male jurors continue to laugh, appearing to me, as if to enjoy the defense’s bumbling to find correct slides and documents as, during this part of the trial, the defense appears disorganized.

The afternoon ended with an excellent observation by Dr. Margolis.  Mr. Gage showed exhibits of the IFU (instructions for use) and the patient brochure, both given to doctors. One is for the doctor as the end user (the IFU) and is much more technically and medically-focused to instruct doctors for implanting the TVT-O.  The patient brochure is to be used primarily to inform a patient as the end user, including less technical language.  It is up to the doctor to inform the patient based on information provided in the IFU.  The manufacturer has no direct responsibility to inform a patient.

Gage displayed both, seemingly to attempt to confuse the uses of each pamphlet, both the IFU and patient brochure.  Since the patient doesn’t know what erosion is typically, she must rely on what the doctor tells her are the primary risks for her individual case.

Dr. Margolis reacted quickly to the situation saying to Mr. Gage, “You are comparing two documents which have two completely different purposes and audiences.  You are asking about the IFU while the slide currently showing is of the patient brochure. I am not sure which you’d like me to refer to during this line of questioning,” said Dr. Margolis.

Toward the conclusion of the afternoon proceedings, the two were discussing the IFU and patient brochure and debating about whether the Burch Procedure can cause the same adverse events, for the same duration, events which are now widely known as “not rare” as defined by the FDA’s July 2011 warning and most recently this February (2014) by the American Urogynecological Society (AUGS) also as “not rare.”

Both policy and medical organizations have changed their stances from “rare” to “not rare” over the last three years as more and more women come forward with the long and often permanent list of painful, life-altering adverse events.  Dr. Margolis would continually refer to these events as, “serious, profound, life-altering, irreversible, traumatic, chronically painful” adverse events, “attributable specifically to the synthetic PP suite of mesh products including Ethicon’s TVT and TVT-O products.”

Dr. Margolis said more than once, and I think this hit home with the jury, that the reason he uses organic material and why the Burch Procedure has to been used for decades but often is necessary to perform more than once over a woman’s lifetime redone is that, “We expect that organic material, over time, will be absorbed and dissolved by the patient’s immune system.  We have to repeat the Burch Procedure sometimes, using organic material, by adding more tissue, and that is to be expected.”  But, he said, “Our bodies did not evolve to have an immune system that can attack and eliminate plastic.” And he was the first expert witnesses to use the word “plastic” repeatedly, not polypropylene (as plastic is often referred to during trial).  This reporter believes “plastic” is a more accessible word for jurors to understand the reality of what the mesh actually is.

Prolift explant

Prolift explant

And Margolis added, “There is no way to remove 100 percent of the mesh,. . . ever.”  He said it is a permanent implant that no doctor can currently remove 100% of, including the free floating particulate matter, as the mesh breaks down or when partial surgeries are performed in an attempt to explant as much mesh as possible.  “Your immune system will attack [the plastic] and attack it, and attack it for the rest of the your life, but our bodies did not evolve to be able to reject mesh through the mechanism of our autoimmune systems.”  In other words, the body’s attempt to attack the foreign invader will continue as long as the mesh is present in any amount, and it will do so to no avail, try as it might.  Several women sitting with me, some mesh-injured, and I, began to cry when Dr. Margolis testified to this fact.  It is the first time I have ever heard that the mesh can never be 100% removed.  This news was devastating to all of us.

But I am an optimist, and I believe this area of medicine, this unknown and unchartered water, will continue to be a very important area of study for compassionate doctors like Dr. Margolis, now, and long into the future.

Concluding the day, Dr. Margolis said he studies fascia slings in Africa, particularly with regard to fistula formation, which means “one organ has inappropriate contact with another organ, most often the bladder and the vagina.  In the United States and other developed countries, the vaginal-to-bladder fistula formation is the result of a surgical procedure, almost invariably, while in Africa, he notes his area of study on a very young population – little girls who have been. . . “,   he pauses, who have been impregnated too early, creating fistulas as a result of vaginal delivery in a young body.

His work in Africa seemed to make an impression on the jury, making him even more likeable and respected by them. He came across as extremely compassionate, as a doctor and as like the rest of us, simply a human being, trying to figure out this preventable, man-made catastrophe. He was very polite to both sides as a witness, but it was clear to this reporter, via Mr. Margolis’ body language that he clearly has an awareness of the devastation and irreversible harm these devices have done and still are doing to women, as the TVT-O is still on the market and placed in women every day. #

 

 

57 Comments

  1. Mary pat says:

    It is very difficult to read this through my tears. Aaron, thank you for having the courage and heart to witness this trial. Jane and Aaron, thank you for bringing truth to light.

  2. jacqui scott says:

    thank you Aaron for your reports and well done Dr Margolis

  3. Jillian says:

    Thank you so much for reporting this. I too read it through tears, what have they done to us all? I am one of many I know in the UK desperate to see this dreadful product removed from the market and help found for all those suffering.

  4. Bobby says:

    Thanks for the great work!

  5. Injured says:

    Thank you for reporting this…I am so glad a doctor, a professional expert finally came out and said this mesh can’t be removed 100%. If at any time my doctor or surgeon had told me that IF this mesh didn’t work or IF the mesh caused problems it can’t be removed completely…and even now that there is removal surgery. None of us would have agreed to have this mess put inside of us! We trusted doctors who trusted manufacturers to help us and because of that trust we are injured in so many ways. Our lives will never be the same…no matter what.

    • Barbara Dykes says:

      You are right! Does anyone know what a “pessary” is? I am a nurse and I learned from my older patients that is what they used to do for POP. Just google it and see how far we have NOT come since the sturdy little pessary. I would never have agreed to the “Prolift” which was going to change my life (and put my Doctors son through college).

  6. Laurie MacKenzie says:

    I learned as well that I will live with those free floating particles within me……I cried too…I have been searching to find the right doctor to remove my 2nd plastic sling, I think I just found him…..In 14 years I have not once had vindication from a single doctor of my pain and injuries from the Polypropelyne…Dr Margolis understands, he was amazing…thank-you…..

  7. Paula says:

    Again, this is the information that needs to be presented in the Federal trials. The truth, the whole truth!

  8. JanetB says:

    Thank you Aaron for being there and reporting back to us. And Jane for all your hard work as well. This article is going into the packet of documents that I give to doctors, family, friends – anyone who asks me why I’m disabled, can’t sit, can’t work, and am always in pain. For whatever reason, people are much more likely to understand and believe an invisible disability if a doctor like Dr. Margolis speaks up and authenticates it. Thanks again!

  9. A good afteraction report but I continue to be amazed at the fact that no one seems to be hammering on the issue if quality. If you look closely at the picture that shows all the parts used you see how small and delicate they are. How or were these parts checked before any implant should be part of the gameplan to offset the defense saying hey implanting plastic , organic or natural tissue is the preference and perogitive of the Dr. picked by the patient. At the end of the day this is all going to come down to “buyer beware” with the defense having plenty of legal rulings on their side. From what I read I see no true “data” that is tangible not emotional. It also looks like the plantiffs team is taking a traditional approach vs. trying something new ( quality). Looking forward to seeing the outcome.

  10. Barbara Dykes says:

    This made me almost ill. Every day another piece of this huge puzzle comes together. For many of us it has been a long, hard road. I joyfully went in for my Implant surgery in 2008. If only someone would have said something as a warning…I did have the Prolift explant but what they say is true, it cannot all be removed and the picture make me sick. Thanks to everyone working, posting on this site. And, of course especially Jane.

  11. Tambrea says:

    Today I saw my Dr. G he sympathizes with the pain and frustrations but can only hope in time with pt and vaginal Valium I will get relief? I do not want another surgery . I feel like I have been violated by Ethicon J &J. My body is damaged and will be for the rest of my life. It’s always same pain different day. Today is a BAD Day !!!!! My family suffers , I can not be intimate wih my Husband . I don’t even feel like a woman ! Just a walking train wreck ! Violated and in Pain!!!! Tambrea

    • I have been in your shoes. I ended up having an explant, but the doctor wasn’t able to get all the mesh out. He estimated that he got about 90%. At first, there was some relief, but the pain came back along with my immune system starting to go haywire. It’s now been two years ago that all of this nightmare happened. I’ve heard it won’t gey better until 100% of the mesh is removed. I’m waiting to hear from a doctor in S. Louis that is excellent. No one wants surgery, but it offers the only way to get some of your life back.

      I have tried months of PT and nothing worked. But, don’t give up, we have to try and get this horrible mesh off the market so this mutilation won’t continue.

  12. Jamie says:

    I smell a settlement

  13. Ana Brown says:

    Thank you Aaron for being there and reporting to us. Your dedication and work are truly appreciated.

  14. tvtinfo says:

    Thank you, Aaron for your comprehensive reporting of the day’s trial proceedings. It is interesting what Dr Margolis says about the body’s immune system and the permanent reaction against plastic mesh. This is what one doctor said to me ie that the foreign body reaction could go on for several years and is in part, the reason for the mesh’s “success” – in other words, the fibrous tissue that builds up around the implant are what provide the extra support to the urethra. But plastic implants do not need to be used, as Margolis points out as there are alternatives which most women were not advised about prior to mesh surgery.

    Some women are lucky to have ALL of their mesh removed but for others, this is not an option or just too risky.

    tvtinfo

  15. top_bard says:

    Thanks Doctor Margolis as I commented on day two: .

    All the judge and jury have to do is listen but really listen and the truth will prevail.

  16. Linda says:

    Excellent write up. Brought tears but I am thrilled to see it told the way it is.

  17. Jane Dowdall says:

    Thank you Aaron for keeping us up to date on this trial. Dr. Margolis’ statement regarding our immune systems constantly fighting the mesh that cannot be removed explains why our pain does not get ‘better’ but is continually getting worse. What will the future be for those of us experiencing severe adverse reactions to mesh? I do wonder if the defenses disorganization is a tactic of some sort. That just doesn’t make any sense. Time will tell.

  18. Tammy says:

    Thank you Aron and Jane. We would all be in the dark, reguarding the trails if you two wasn’t keeping us informed. God bless you both.

  19. Evelyn says:

    Thank you Aaron & Jane for all your hard work in keeping us up to date.. Love you Two <3

  20. La Isom says:

    Thank you so much Aaron this gives us some type of hope. I pray the best for Lindas case.

  21. nikki says:

    I am new to this website and I have been on it all day, I too am a mesh victim and I also cried when reading that there is no way to remove 100% of the mesh. I was implanted in 06 and explanted (twice) in 2011 with still about 50 % left. Thank you both for all of the information you are able to obtain. One question do anyone of yoj have any info

    regarding the Mentor Obtape mesh, any idea of any settlements offers or case victories against them? Thanks for any info available

  22. Annie says:

    I broke down and cried reading this. I hurt so bad everyday and I don’t know how to make the pain go away. Therapy has not helped me at all as much as I would like for it to. I saw my therapist today after waiting three long months to get my approval extended. He says my pelvis is now completely out of alignment due to the pain and me favoring one side over the other most of my pain is on the left pretty bad pain to so I cant sit on the left side and I lean to the right. The infections are so painful. My urologist says the mesh is causing infection. He said he can only do a partial removal. I have the monarch subfascial sling made by AMS. I’m awaiting a translabial ultrasound . My urologist wil also use my own tissue once he removes what he can from my body. I’m terrified. Thank you for reporting back to all of us. I appreciate it from the bottom of my heart.

    • Aaron Leigh says:

      Thank you Annie. I appreciate YOU- for reading, for having courage and for continuing to fight. Will try to keep updating via Twitter all day today via @themeshwarrior . Please, find and follow me for bits & bites until I can get time to write the full day’s events.

  23. HE says:

    Yes thank you! I know it takes courage to go into the court room and hear all the different testimony. Thank you for fighting for us.

    I met a woman today who decided to sit next to me at the hospital. As usual I chose the widest chair, sat sideways with my feet up on the seat. I cannot sit upright. We fell into a conversation. Within 2 minutes mesh came up. Yes she’s had the “sling”. That’s not mesh, is it? Ughhh . . . She’s been back to the Dr. so many times. She’s a little tight, but the “sling” is fine. So it takes 20 minutes to empty your bladder – not the mesh, no big deal. She’s already had a rectocele repair. But colon issues . . . I know these stories. I give her Jane’s site. I tell her don’t let anyone do a partial removal. My heart sinks as I realize she’s at the beginning of this long journey that is more of a nightmare. She say’s “I usually sit alone at the opposite side of the room, but somehow I knew I needed to talk to you. God must have known.” He does.

    I arrive home and see this! Yes!!! Finally some truth is coming out. Yes it is emotionally written, however some of the facts are clear. The burch procedure was used for decades, and the pain was totally different – you healed from that surgery. It didn’t always work. As Dr. Margolis stated 50 people in a trial doesn’t make for a credible report. The fact it was produced by Ethicon show’s conflict of interest. The mesh doesn’t always work either. But it tears us apart like nothing else. Plastic is not meant for people.

    The “mesh” word is pretty much banned at my house. It’s the elephant in the room. If you don’t talk about it, it will disappear. Not for me – 24/7. I have good news today, without the “word” I tell of a victory. A Dr. told the truth in open court and wasn’t censured. The judge is over ruling objections. Good news . . . FINALLY! Hopefully much more coming.

    • Aaron Leigh says:

      Thank you for reading, HE! We are tired and we need your prayers for strength and courage! We are in the courtroom, and it can be emotionally taxing at times. But- we are getting the TRUTH out there, and it sounds like you are too! Keep on keepin’ on, and again, thank you for reading!!

  24. Mary pat says:

    A doctor speaks the truth. Amazing. A judge allows the truth to be told. A miracle. A jury is allowed to listen and do their job. An answer to prayer. Women standing for truth and justice. Courage personified. Women working to right a wrong. Jane and Aaron. God bless you all.

  25. caroline says:

    Thanks for this Aaron, what a wonderful person you are to record this for us all and what a wonderful man Dr Margolis is.

    • Aaron Leigh says:

      Thank you. Dr. Margolis is truly an amazing man and I hope to get more time with him after this trial concludes. Compassionate, kind and unafraid to tell the truth. A rare and wonderful man.

  26. Helen says:

    I too have been injured by this mesh, i also have a husband a daughter and 2 sons who are going through so much stress and emotional pain with this, i have had 3 removal surgeries and have been told that the arms have been left in as they feel it would cause more problems if they had to remove them. I live in the uk and we are signing a petition at the moment which will be sent to parliament to try and stop any other women from going through this, i want to thank you Aaron for all you are doing and the way you see this through a daughters eyes.

  27. Beth says:

    Really wonderful reporting Aaron, I too am both relieved and saddened near tears, to hear someone speak the truth, finally a true hero is speaking up for us. I hope the plaintiff’s atty will point out that likely Dr. Margolis would make a lot more money if he hadn’t commuted so far and was doing surgery instead of testifying on our behalf. It does seem like the defense is ill prepared, perhaps J&J will come to their senses now they can’t beat all of us and afford to keep paying their atty’s to defend a product that they got rich off or hurting all of us. When I think too much about it, I feel like we are in a science fiction horror story, but people like you and Dr. Margolis and the atty’s are the heroes and I am so glad you are there witnessing and sharing the truth with us.

  28. We would truly be in the dark, alone with our pain without you precious one…keep up the good work.

    In His Hope,

    Sharon

    • Aaron Leigh says:

      Thank you so much Sharon. Please pray for rest/rejuvenation and the energy to keep going for Ms. Batiste, me, the other injured women and patient advocates with me, and Ms. Batiste’s legal team. They are working round the clock and are compassionate and kind.

  29. Aaron Leigh says:

    Friends;

    I will be tweeting from @themeshwarrior with bits & bites of Ms. Batiste’s trial during the courtroom proceedings… please find and follow me there. We have hope that we will have some broadcast media and possibly a magazine out today… Media is taking notice, that is for sure. I’ve had several media members call this morning! Story to come later… Thanks for reading and for your patience!

  30. Donna Hart says:

    God Bless You Aaron – you will never know the total amount of people that your efforts as an advocate are/have and will help. Thank you so much for all you do – Please make sure to care for yourself and your family also -wow you really have a big job! We are all praying for each other in this struggle – I believe in divine intervention and that you are most likely being used by the Creator of the Universe to help fulfill some of his and her purpose.

  31. Cat Stark says:

    Praying for all of us…If there is anyone living in Austin,Tx…that would like to be.part of a support group, please text me. 512.828.2921.

  32. lorna farrell says:

    Thank you for your reporting – Thank God for breakthroughs like this with Dr Margolis. I live in Scotland, UK and fear I am just at the beginning of my journey. I have suffered pain for years with no answers, now they have discovered a sttrand of mesh in my bladder- still waiting to find out whats next- I am in constant pain, can’t sit/walk/work normally- and i am now facing several operations – HOWEVER, I am determined to fight for justice and make sure these stories are told…THANK YOU – If you have any contacts/advice, let me know ladies – I will follow you on twitter Aaron, keep up this important work – GOD BLESS YOU , XX

  33. Connie Thornburg says:

    Dear Aaron , I cried as I read this artical . I’ve tried to find others for three years now that I could relate to or talk to about my problems with transvaginal mesh. Thank you so much & may The Lord bless you for following your heart & telling of others horror stories . I had have 6 operations & every symptom along with other symptoms from the side effects . I have litterally been suicidal because I didn’t think anyone understand my problems . I felt like my doctors didn’t understand what I was trying to tell them either. After reading these stories my heart is broken for these ladies but it felt so good to read things that we shared about the side effects of the mesh. I have felt I was along except for the other ladies & how could I ever talk to them. I am a stranger that has been held hostage by my own body !! How can I ever possibly find the real ME again ? I know now after all this time & reading others stories that the real ME is dead inside . I only have this shell if a body that use to house my real life & body !!! I have to learn how to accept the NEW ME & I don’t think I’ll ever figure that part out. That’s why I had thoughts of harming myself. It’s like having amnesia but you are forced to remember things that are reality now not remembering the past . I’ll shut up I could go rambling on for hours !! Thank all of you & especially you Aaron for helping us find others like us ! We are not alone & your help is wonderful because you’ve never been through it but it is as God has allowed you to transform yourself to know how we redllt feel !! I will follow your stories because they give me strength to understand all this better than I I have ever before !! Thank you, Connie from Alabama

    • Jane Akre says:

      Connie- Thank you. It really sounds like you need competent medical help… Do you have your medical records, surgical notes etc? Do you have insurance? Some patient advocates may be able to advise you… let us know if we can help further…I’m sorry this has happened to you~ ja

      • Connie Thornburg says:

        I do have Ins. Sweety but I had to drop my CPus with Blue Cross this past month . It’s got so overwhelmingly expensive . Going from UAB IN BIRMINGHAM TO MOBILE FOR TAO SURGERIES & Vanderbilt for many things in ref. to surgery & major surgery to be told its not there it’s scar tissue again. I’m so tired and I feel myself loosing this battle physically & emotionally as well. Traveling to other states has gotten so terribly expensive . It’s just putting us in a survival mode right now & it’s gotten extremely costly. If I could trust me is go camp out at Vanderbilt & stay until I cold find peace withy self but that’s not possible financially . U pray when all this is over money will be appropriated to help cover these expenses. Thank God I have found a reSl person line myself to simy talk to. The phychiatrist just wanted to keep adding drugs to my long list I gave to take already . Some doctors don’t even seem to comprehend me when I try to explain it to them . I feel line they need meds by the time I’m done talking to them . I pray God has mercy & compassion on me & my soul . I’m not throwing in the towel I’ve just ran out of $$$ to keep up with everything the surgeons want me to continue having done . I pray that my husband & grandchildren will be able to see me in a much better condition before this mess takes me away from them all together ! Trust me I’m nit to far from being at the end of my battle right now ! I hang on because my daughter died from breast cancer at age 31 ! My babies need me but u feel I’m if no earthly good to them nor anyone right now ! Thanks fir your your concern !! I’m so happy to have you to listen & know I’m telling the truth !! God bless you , Connie

        • Lynn says:

          Connie, you are not alone……It sounds like we may live close, and I too have mesh issues. If you want to communicate with me, Jane has my permission to give you my e-mail address. Keep the faith!

    • Aaron Leigh says:

      Connie- your words are uplifting & give me such strength to keep going. Thank you. I am so happy you no longer feel alone. That was really the only thing I set out to do is let others know that we were out there & I knew there MUST be others. God was so gracious to honor my faith in that! God bless you!

  34. Barbara Dykes says:

    I am stunned. I drove 1200 miles total to my Explant MD(HIGHLY recommended by my obgyn)…over 2 yrs ago. I just found out from my attorney yesterday that the Operative report he recieved After my EXPLANT of Prolift, the UroGyno brilliant MD put in BOSTON SCIENTIFIC MESH! He also had a degree in ‘plastic surgery” and told me he was going to use a “cowhide” substance as a anchor.So I am back where I was with another brand of Mesh.I I have been betrayed once again by a Doctor. And he was well paid for this. My attorney had the Lot No. and surgical report.I am numb and angry as hell.

  35. guest says:

    Barbara, The doctors know so many of will never see justice, was just reading, judge goodwin , and he asked that more cases be put together to move cases faster. I GOOGLED, JUDGE GOOWIN BLADDER MESH CASES DELAYED AND CAME UP WITH WEB SITE. . it mentioned that a suit against a company that has been going on for many years, these companies know that putting off as many cases goes in favor of them not going to trial as it said only a few were allowed to be heard after many years with that company.

    That is what these companies , cr bard, boston scientific, and others are doing , no less than corrupting due progress of courts. so many of us will not live if they keep on to see justtice, they want more to not live to see that day. A disgrace for american courts to allow this, WHY CANNOT WOMEN GO IN WITH THEIR RECORDS AND THE COURTS EVEN ALLOW A DOCTOR TO EXAM ALL WOMEN TO SAY YES , TO ALL WOMEN DAMAGED FOR LIFE, IT WOULD BE FASTER THAN JUST ALLOWING A VERY FEW TO HAVE A COURT, THEY PICK THOSE THAT WILL BE HEARD AND THOSE NOT, EVEN ATTORNEYS THAT LIED AND SAID IT WOULD BE ABOUT year or two, knowing they would never be heard, also got cruel.

    They could bring in more federal judges, and doctors like Dr. raz that has seen so many women, and done surgeries, that treated women with kindness, , trying to remove that could testify how much mesh protruded out, surgeries needed, and what more damage a woman would suffer, faster. so women can get back their life , at least knowing what their life holds, but we need someone to speak and intervene for all women, all women true have not suffered like others, but these need closure also, never to get compensated to even having means to get to a doctor that other women have,.

    THE 9 OR 10 CASES TO BE HEARD , IN JUDGE GOODWIN’S COURTS, WHAT ABOUT THE THOUSANDS IT WILL TAKE YEARS, THESE JUDGES ALSO HEAR OTHER CASES AT SAME TIME, MORE FEDERAL JUDGES NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN, AND SOON. THIS IS A GRAVE WRONG, FOR COURTS AS i READ THAT A FEW WERE HEARD IN OTHER CASES, WITH COMPANIES WE NOW FACE, FOR DAMAGES BUT ONLY A FEW CHOSEN HEARD. EVERY WOMAN HAS HER OWN STORY AND RECORDS THAT SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PRESENT , WHAT WAS SAID AND DONE, LIED TO, BETTER IF ALL THAT LIED AND WAS CRUEL , SHE HAD THERE TO TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE, SINCE SOME WILL NEVER SEE JUSTICE TO THOSE THAT ABUSE THEIR POWER AND AUTHORITY IN AMERICA, EVEN THE FDA. I KNOW WHO WERE ANSWERING THE PHONES , HUNG UP, SENT WRONG FORMS AND WHY.

    THE SAME REASON POLITICIANS THAT GOT CAMPAIGN MONEY FROM THESE COMPANIES AND LOBBIST, IS NOT ALL WOMEN DAMAGED WITH MESH ARE STANDING AGAINST IN COURTS. THOSE IN LEADERSHIP, THAT WILL NOT DO ANYTHING EITHER.OR MOST NEWS MEDIA.

    THEY ARE GOING TO DRAG THIS OUT WHEN IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR WOMEN TO JUST BE ALLOWED TO SHOW RECORDS AND TELL THE TRUTH IN COURTS, THEY COULD HEAR THESE EVERY DAY NOT JUST MAYBE 1 A MONTH.

  36. Ilene says:

    I had a femoral hernia repair with bard mesh 3years ago, and my life seems over. I feel betrayed because my doctor said he told me of complications in his little report which he didn’t.i’m going crazy mind,body,and spirit.i wouldn’t mind getting it removed,but not sure if that will help or make it worse. Any comments or advice please respond. Also, does anyone think alcohol make it feel burning and infected? All sorts of uncomfortable feelings..

    • Jane Akre says:

      Ilene – Please check in with Bruce Rosenberg 954-701-5094 about hernia related issues, he is up to date on injuries, doctors and lawsuits. He is also hernia mesh injured… thank you.

  37. Terry Bell says:

    I read all the stories posted here. I am so scared because I to have mesh implanted. I wish I would have known the complications with this mesh. I thought I was doing something right and making my life better. But it now seems I was wrong. And really shame on those doctors who are doing this and not telling you the exact truth.

    I found this website while I was looking to have it removed. I am so glad I did.

    I have been reading all the things that are happening with this mesh and its so sad to see so many of us on here that our lives have changed and not for the better even though we thought would make it better.

    I to didnt know how my much my life would change when I had that mesh implanted.

    But believe me I have learned and reading these posts and articles has helped me so much.

    And Connie believe me you are not alone in this. I to have gotten to that point were I think no one would understand. And who would care. And who would listen. But someone does care, someone did listen.

    I read your story Connie and I can see me. I think you just said what all of us feels right now Connie.

    But never give up always fight and we all were taught that at an early age. We all can fight it together right.

    I would like to say Thank You To All for now I know I to am not alone and to this website.

    God Bless and Thank You!

  38. danyelle robinson says:

    I think Dr. Margolis put into words exactly what doctors mean when they say that the mesh disintegrates and becomes part of the system at a cellular level.

    Perhaps this is why after 20 years doctors refuse to remove the existing mesh. In my case there are only two real options for reconstruction (TGRE mesh, or pig). Thus the risk of rejection is much higher when compounded with the ongoing fight my immune system will always have due to the mesh residuals.

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