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Upcoming Mesh Trials Take a Slow Pace for the Injured

Gavel  500The following is a list of upcoming pelvic mesh-injury trials that will be heard this year.

This list is subject to change and likely will. Some will be added. Some will settle in advance of trial. 

Regardless, with 74,522 product liability cases filed in this one court, consolidated in West Virginia, (as of today, April 7) bellwether cases gauge how juries will decide. They often form the foundation for settlement talks in advance of trial or before the case goes to the jury.

Many women and families are expressing an eagerness to attend these trials and other events. 

Coming up:j&j LOGO

April 23, 2015– Johnson & Johnson Annual Shareholders meeting, 10:30 am,  State Theatre, 15 Livingstone Ave, New Brunswick, NJ

May 4, 2013 – Boston Scientific trial, (attorney Fred Thompson, Motley Rice)

May 18, 2015  – Toni Watkins v. Cook Inc., et al. 2:13-cv-20370, Charleston, WV, Judge Joseph Goodwin, bellwether case for Cook (attorney Doug Kreis, Aylstock, Witkin, Kreis, Overholtz). Surgisis Biodesign urethral sling. Dismissed by Plaintiff. 

June 2, 2015 – Status Conference called by Judge Goodwin, Charleston WV

June 8, 2015  – Mary Hovey v. Cook Inc., et al. 2:13-cv-18900, Charleston, WV, Judge Joseph Goodwin, bellwether (attorney – Erin Copeland, Fibich, Hampton, Leebron, Briggs & Josephson). Surgisis tension-free urethral sling. Dismissed by Plaintiff. 

cute[These are the first bellwether cases for Cook, the Indianapolis-based mesh manufacturer. Cook manufactures a transvaginal mesh made with pig intestines.

At this writing there are 380 cases filed against the Indianapolis-based company. The claim is that Cook’s SIS (Surgisis) product has a high recurrence rate and doesn’t work in a substantial number of women; that pig intestine leads to a  latent inflammatory response in some women, infections and scarring leading to pain and dyspareunia in some women.  Putting anything, much less an animal intestine, through a vaginal incision into a heavily-laden bacterial environment is a bad idea, the women claim.]

July 13, 2015 – Jennifer Ramirez v. Ethicon, Judge J. David Canales 2012-ci-18690 or 18650, 73rd Civil Division, San Antonio, TX

August 24, 2015  – Tonya Edwards v. Ethicon 2:12-cv-9972, Charleston, WV, Judge Goodwin bellwether against Johnson & Johnson (attorney – Mueller Law)

September 21, 2015 – Carol Cavness v. Ethicon (Prosima mesh)  DC-14-04220, Judge Ken Molberg, Dallas (attorney – Blankenship Law and Freese and Goss). See here.

October 26, 2015  – Josephine Marie Rabiola v. Ethicon, 53rd Judicial District Court, Austin TX. Both the TVT-S and the Ethicon Prosima for POP.  Case #D1 GN 13002039.

This tally does not include the various trials filed in state courts including Bard and Ethicon cases filed in Bergen Co. New Jersey.

106 Comments

  1. Richard Howden aka All Meshed Up says:

    One of these days someone will figure out that the material used in these SUI, TVT etc products is the same material used in Hernia Mesh. That is, someone that is not already implanted and suffering from a Mesh product and reads about symptoms that are exactly like theirs. It’s just from another product, design, placement, manufacturer and gender.

    It is unfortunate that the FDA does not recognize that or do anything about it.

    • Brenda Owen says:

      I had hernia repair with Ethicon Physiomesh which failed within six months, bunched up and adhered itself to my bowel. I still carry a piece of it that could not be removed….and a 27 inch scar from the extensive repair to my abdomen that was needed. Still no hernia mesh cases being taken by attorneys. I notified FDA of it being a failed medical device in 2012.

    • David says:

      Richard, I do not think it is the case that the FDA does not recognize that hernia patients are experiencing the same injurious mesh complications which the women in the POP/SUI patient populations are experiencing. I think the FDA understands this reality all too well. And, as a result, it is choosing to still mitigate the burden of addressing the mesh industry’s current, deceptive, predatory targeting of unsuspecting patients in the hernia patient population. As it is also the reality, that the FDA, device manufacturers and surgeons/user facilities have been very successful in not reporting the adverse events from hernia meshes into the MAUDE Database – with end result of keeping this underreporting at a historically “low” 1% rate – perhaps the real problem is that the FDA believes that to only victimize (the reported) “1%” of the patient population remains “reasonable”.

      The medical device industry’s current, despicable predatory use of its regressively trained surgeon co-perpetrators, to target unsuspecting U.S. patients, I do not think can even be understood as reasonable. I believe it is a crime. And, patient protection laws should be enacted to address an industry’s habitual, premeditative undermining of Human Rights and subsequent, systematic exploitation of human beings not only in the U.S. but globally.

      It is my belief also, that this predatory harm, premeditatedly inflicted onto unsuspecting women in the POP/SUI patient populations is the “tip of the iceberg” into the hernia patient population. High ranking U.S. Governmental officials, I believe, know this. Both U.S. product liability and U.S. criminal courts cannot handle the magnitude of the crime that this industry has perpetrated against unsuspecting U.S. patients….To address its outcome, for the hernia patients they adversely harmed (without consideration for the lives it premeditatedly compromised), would open-up “the floodgates” into the hernia mesh patient population. It would, most likely, collapse the U.S. court system. To avoid this burden – in an effort to legally uphold its international obligations – perhaps it is time that the U.S. Government sought help from the International Community. And, thereby, proactively acted to prevent the medical device industry’s further predatory targeting of its own citizens.

    • Bilal says:

      Man…the same FDA recalled material “propylene “….isnt compatible with human…”men are affected jus the same,if not worse…….”its meshed up…very unhumane!”

    • Donald Rainey says:

      Look it up mesh and fishing line are the same thing a spool of Shakespeare brand of fishing line the same makeup same technology even the same color.The only difference is that I bought mine at Wal-Mart.

  2. Lori Pelucca says:

    You are so correct Richard Howden.. the mesh for hernia is just as toxic, painful and evil as other mesh,, I have mesh for POP and hernia and both are Torture,, I pray you are guided to the best and most caring surgeon and support to help you to correct and heal.. Love, care, and kind healing to you.

  3. Disgusted says:

    More power to the women who get trials. As for these being ‘Bellwethers’ is another thing entirely. We have already figured out that the bellwhether trials are giving substantially more than the defendants want to give. They are fighting the trials and maybe they hope that most will just die before they’re heard. Being so many, and only a dozen or so going through in a year is just unreal. Justice is not working. It is broken. As has been put out on many pages on this site, the manufacturers are “settling” with much less than a million dollars. Whether or not they can afford to pay what we need is at issue to some. If these cases are supposed to be setting what we should hope to receive all well and good. That is not the case, at least not the one we are seeing. Judge Goodwin may be trying to force settlements, but it is falling on deaf ears. AMS has been praised for settling with plaintiffs, but we know that is also a real joke to those who are injured. To be lied to, maimed, robbed, and left with a broken life filled with pain both physical and emotional for the sake of the dollar is a criminal act. Our government makes deals with them to avoid criminal penalties – just a pay a fine. A large fine, but a fine. So what good are the bellwhethers doing? Maybe just helping the women who were lucky enough to get a trial where the jury saw the truth. If this was all an “accident” as has been said, then why are the products still on the market? They now know (as if they didn’t before) what they can do. There is no accident. It is about the bottom line. It always will be. The love of money is the root of all evil.

    • Jane Akre says:

      Not to defend the bellwether process but could you imagine how slowly things would happen if we had different judges in different jurisdictions issuing conflicting rulings? They would have to be decided by a higher court and we would probably be on trial #1. There needs to be consistency to moves these along as slow as they are going… I’m very sorry for that and I believe those involved in the process are as well.

      • David says:

        Cute pig, Jane….Maybe we should reach out to animal rights activists. I see their commercials on TV, all the time, where they are trying to prevent the cruelly to dogs. So if a dog’s owner is harmed, by a cruel inhuman act (like for example: the unwarranted, indiscriminate abuse of surgical mesh), who will take care of the dog? If these activists are concerned about dogs and also pigs, they might be concerned about their fellow human beings too. I know the FDA has done dog food warnings…so maybe this logic – to prevent avoidable patient harm – is not transferable.

        • David says:

          …Probably shouldn’t but I will elaborate on why, I think that this FDA logic is not transferable. (Please note: I am NOT comparing a person to a dog, only human behavior to that of a dog.) With the understanding that an FDA dog food warning was for the audience of dog owners not dogs, a dog could not have acted differently while its owner, empowered with the understanding of risk, could have prevented harm:

          The FDA issued October 20, 2008 Public Health Notification: [On the] Serious Complications Associated with Transvaginal Placement of Surgical Mesh in Repair of Pelvic Organ Prolapse and Stress Urinary Incontinence was addressed to “Healthcare Practitioner[s]” not to patients. A healthcare practitioner trained to indiscriminately abuse surgical mesh cannot overcome their habitual behavioral norm, to act out their patient abusive behavior, unless retrained to behave differently. If a patient, however, is directly informed of statistical surgical mesh risks (not left as “rare”) – independent of a surgeon – they have the ability to act differently then the regressively trained surgeon. A legally informed patient will, therefore, instinctually act out of self-preservation to prevent being harmed by the surgeon’s inescapable need to act out statistically premeditative patient abuse….And the regressively trained surgeon will continue to unwarrantedly harm more patients until retrained to behave differently.

          • Aaron Leigh says:

            Such a good point, David. And I like the term “regressively trained surgeon” because I do believe that these are the surgeons who were targeted for marketing. I recently learned, from a former med device sales rep, that there are “training days” in which the rep follows the doctor into the exam rooms and both individuals are “bonused” to the tune of $250/patient for offering the medical device during any given appointment. I was unaware of this “off the books” incentive.

        • Aaron Leigh says:

          I think we should work with environmentalists. If they are as concerned about plastic INSIDE PEOPLE as they are about plastic in the oceans, we should have a great partnership!

          • David says:

            It is the tragic reality of modern medicine that patients are being harmed, seeking treatment for POP, SUI and hernias (to contextually identify a few examples), which could have benefited from surgical intervention if not for the regressive training of a surgeon to indiscriminately abuse an implantable medical device (surgical mesh). – “Non-maleficence,” (“do no harm”) a “[principle] of medical ethics that must now be defended in open warfare by ethical physicians, ethical corporate leaders, real patient advocates and our system of justice,” as stated and defined in the April 6, 2015 article, by Hooman Noorchashm, M.D., Ph.D. and Amy Reed, M.D., Ph.D.,* entitled: The just war: For the health and wealth of our nation** (posted on the Philadelphia Inquirer’s online blog: philly.com), is “that the treatment undertaken does not impose AVOIDABLE harm and that more effective and feasible treatments are not withheld for subjective reasons.”

            * FYI: as the notation at the bottom of this article states, “Hooman Noorchashm and Amy Reed, husband-and-wife physicians, have campaigned to ban electric morcellators since December 2013, soon after Reed’s unsuspected uterine cancer was spread by the device during a routine hysterectomy.”

            ** http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/healthcare/The-just-war-For-the-health-and-wealth-of-our nation-.html#Aj5YbhBFeSypoiQP.99

          • David says:

            Aaron, we should not only work with “outdoor” environmentalists but “indoor” air quality environmentalists as well. What we breathe inside of our own isolated environments may be less a concern then what is implanted in our bodies (mesh!) degrading, migrating around, trying to get out and making use sick from the inside out.

      • Disgusted says:

        Thanks Jane. You have a point – more trials are underway due to the bellwhethers. However, what are they accomplishing? If they are supposed to predict future settlements to the injured, will this happen? I’d be fine with this if it were a true gage of where the defendants need to be. It’s not a law, it’s a recommendation so the lawyers have a bargaining tool based on other court cases to make settling easier. For these cases, the defendants are not going to settle anywhere near what the jury decided, unless they think it will go to court and receive a whole lot more (and the plaintiffs lawyer must also want to go to court, but with how slow these are going do they have the staying power without a payday?) So stalling and keeping the number of cases seen in a year down helps them to make out in the end. I think this is why we see them settling just before or during the case. I thought the bellwhethers were supposed to set a standard and then each case after a certain number of bellwhethers were tried was discussed and settled based on this as a standard of care, taking in the extent of injury, etc.

        I don’t see it happening. We are broken. It’s not about fairness, doing what is right. It’s about using the current system to minimize losses. Money talks.

        • Jane Akre says:

          There are at least $100 million reasons to settle and more on the way! The bean counters are listening. For them it is a balance of risk vs. benefit. It’s all numbers!

      • Anonymous says:

        Jane, why is there no news on the CR Bard cases?

        • Jennifer says:

          Hi Jane… do we know anything more about what is going on with C.R. Bard? They have settled on all of the bellwether cases, right? The whole thing just stinks to high heaven. All about the almighty dollar….who cares if women are dying or living with low quality of life, constantly suffering.

          • Jane Akre says:

            Jennifer- You can always check with the MDL… go to southern district of WV and click on C.R. Bard. There you can find the number of cases filed, bellwether cases and any recent orders ( check the small print up top).. You’ll be amazed what you find. Start here:

            http://www.wvsd.uscourts.gov/

  4. msm says:

    The “bellwethers” will be settled immediately before the trial or after day 1. This will prevent other cases from being tried. The defendants will not be pressured to settle the majority of the pending cases because there are bellwether cases pending. Just another sick strategy by mesh manufacturers who are hoping more women will give up or die before their case is tried. This system is not “justice” but a farce. Just my opinion.

  5. Lisa (Florida) says:

    Well, we’ve all come to a very poignant understanding and have discussed in great detail the stagnant mesh situation in regards to the FDA, Justice System, etc., my question is…. What can we do about it? I’ve signed every petition I could find, sent many letters, searched, joined and participated in anything relating to Mesh on social media I came across, other than trying to organize peaceful MAM support rallies, I still feel like I’m back-paddling.

    If it wasn’t for Jane, the Mesh News Desk, support from fellow victims and the many (very appreciated) knowledgeable comments informing us about the problem, I think I would’ve been banging my head against a wall by now.

    But again, my question is, (David, Richard, anyone) What can we do to fix this?

    I know we are wounded soldiers, but there has to be a better way than this?

    • David says:

      Lisa, with regards to my opinion, for what we could all do about “the stagnant mesh situation”. I truly, truly believe what we should all do NOW is work together to put the surgical mesh issue before the Office of the United Nations (UN) High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR).* Only in the international arena, do I believe, will the surgical mesh industry’s “consistent patterns of gross and reliably attested violations of […] human rights and […] fundamental freedoms”** be understood for what they are: crimes against humanity.*** And, only in the international arena can and then will these inhuman acts, systematically carried out by this industry against unsuspecting patients, I believe, also be effectively addressed.

      The mesh issue is currently stagnant (in my opinion) because the U.S. Government is unwilling to recognize its International Human Rights obligations and then take the necessary actions to prevent the further, deceptive predatory targeting of its citizens. As the U.S. does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC) (with crimes against humanity within the jurisdiction of the ICC – via the Rome Statute), its aiding and abetting of the surgical mesh industry’s current, widespread, systematic exploitation of unsuspecting U.S. patients (via the FDA’s CDRH – to allow it to again carryout its crimes against humanity), can and will only be addressed through the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights Treaty (ICCPR).**** The ICCPR Treaty the U.S. Government has ratified and is, therefore, legally bound by International Law to uphold.

      As stated on the UN’s website: “On 18 June 2007, the Human Rights Council adopted resolution 5/1 entitled ‘Institution-Building of the United Nations Human Rights Council’ by which a new complaint procedure was established to address consistent patterns of gross and reliably attested violations of all human rights and all fundamental freedoms occurring in any part of the world and under any circumstances.”** Linked to the preceding webpage is the Human Rights Council Complaint Procedure Form. This form is the means, I believe, by which we can all work together to effectively bring the surgical mesh issue onto the international stage, framed as a crime against humanity (Article 7 of the Rome Statute).

      Under I. “Information concerning the author (s) of the communication…,” of this form, is the box “Group of individuals” – I think we should file this complaint together. It will be stronger if we unite our voices. I think we should set a realistic target goal, for a representational number, of initial patient “victims” harmed by surgical mesh to sign on to this complain. Accompanying this complaint, in my opinion, should also be a request to the UN for more time to gather the names of additional patients, harmed by ANY implantable medical device, also willing to be part of this complaint.

      Under II. “Information on the State concerned” – I think the FDA’s CDRH should, specifically, be named as a co-instigator for the aiding and abetting of the surgical mesh industry’s widespread, systematic exploitation of unsuspecting U.S. surgical mesh implant patients.

      Under III. “Facts of the complaint and nature of the alleged violation(s)” – I think we need to accurately define the nature of the crime, via the surgical mesh industry’s ability to have used our trust in a physician against us (to have undermined our Constitutional and civil/human rights), by means of its societal control over the regressively trained surgeon co-perpetrator–following the standard of care and their shared ability to use fraudulent marketing tactics (due to FDA and U.S. medical device regulatory failures). We need to also state how the U.S. Government violated specific articles of the ICCPR Treaty. (This I have been working on for a while now and, I think, it is very doable “to thread” the act of crimes against humanity, through several specific articles of the ICCPR Treaty, to address the U.S. Government’s violation of this treaty.)

      Under IV. “Exhaustion of domestic remedies,” #2 states: “If domestic remedies have not been exhausted on grounds that their application would be ineffective or unreasonably prolonged, please explain the reasons in detail”. – I think that a strong argument could be made that “recourse […in U.S.] courts and [to] other public [U.S.] authorities [FDA]” (#1) is not a suitable means for an exploited and then harmed patient to address the surgical mesh industry’s use of its regressively trained surgeon co-perpetrator’s undermining of their Constitutional and civil/human rights. There are no effective, realistic = non-burdensome domestic remedies (legislative avenues) for a harmed patient to bring criminal charges against a device manufacturer instigator/perpetrator and one of its regressively trained surgeon co-perpetrators. There are no effective means to prevent a surgeon from again carrying out his/her own best, one-sided practice of patient exploitation (via the industry’s standard of care) or to even then warn future patients of the danger, for the repeat offender physician to prey upon their vulnerabilities too.

      V. “Submission of communication to other human rights bodies,” I do not believe would be applicable.

      Under VI. “Request for confidentiality,” there is a “Yes” and “No” box with regards to “whether […] any specific information contained in the complaint [is] to be kept confidential” – I think we should check No. This complaint should be made transparent for the entire world to see. We need to drag “the beast” out of the darkness and take it apart in the light. This problem cannot be addressed without an open international conversation between nations – for the global protect of future potential medical device implant patients.

      Under VII. “Checklist of supporting documents,” we could submit evidence from: the medical literature; device manufacturer marketing materials: information from the court cases, specifically, appearing on Jane’s site; subsequent product liability “decisions of [U.S.] domestic courts and authorities [FDA]” which have showed how the surgical mesh industry (and medical device industry in general) are able to knowingly use “the [physician] learned intermediary doctrine” to undermine a patient’s civil and human rights (and then how U.S. Courts are failing to address this blatant violation of a U.S. patient’s Constitutional rights); how the 510(k) clearance process is, specifically, in violation of Article 7 of the ICCPR Treaty (as it is subjecting unsuspecting U.S. patients to non-consented to medical experimentation –with torture, cruel and inhuman medical treatment, as an outcome, which is carried out, systematically, by the surgical mesh industry, as its standard of care); and other evidence and supporting documents to frame the scope of this crime, as a crime against humanity.

      If we are all willing to work together there is not a doubt in my mind that we can bring about the meaningful changes needed to not only protect future U.S. patients but for the benefit of patients on a global scale.

      * http://www.ohchr.org/EN/AboutUs/Pages/WhoWeAre.aspx

      ** http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/ComplaintProcedure/Pages/HRCComplaintProcedureIndex.aspx

      *** http://legal.un.org/icc/statute/99_corr/cstatute.htm

      **** http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/ccpr.aspx

      • tammy says:

        David can you pleas email me i looked at your post about human rights all look good but i would really like some help on how to do this my life is totally ruined now but i really need to try an fight back my email is tammywoods1010@gmai.com

      • Lisa (Florida) says:

        David WOW thanks so much for the very detailed and informative response. I would like to discuss it further and if this can/should be done, I’m willing to stand behind it. But, I have several questions running thru my uninformed (and very drained brain) can you tell me why you want to go directly into the “International arena” and bypass say, the US Attorney General or the FDA Medical Device Industry Coalition? Especially if what you say is true, “the U.S. does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court”, it seems we would be wasting our time? Again, this still bouncing around in my brain 🙂

        • David says:

          Both the U.S. Government (Congress, FDA, high-ranking U.S. Governmental officials) are well aware there is a very serious problem with both the regulation and then how implantable medical devices like surgical mesh are being marketed to unsuspecting U.S. patients. They are failing to act. Human Rights should come before any other consideration; there is NO other consideration to balance.

          Definitely not a waste of our time to take this issue to the international community….These Human Rights treaties are in place for when states fail their citizens. The U.S. Government should never have allowed these medical device manufacturer predators to prey upon illegally informed U.S. patients, though use of its regressively trained surgeons’ ability to also use the practice of medicine, to systematically undermine their patients’ rights as the standard of care. Upon the IOM’s recommendation to scrap for 510(k) process, steps to do so should have been well underway now to prevent further human experimentation and premeditated 510(k) patient abuse.

          As the U.S. does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, the ICCPR is the pathway with “legal teeth” (more so with the U.S. Government’s ratification of this treaty) “…to address consistent patterns of gross and reliably attested violations of all human rights and all fundamental freedoms occurring in any part of the world and under any circumstances” –crimes against humanity. As defined by the ROME STATUTE OF THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, a “crime against humanity” means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack”: “(f) Torture” or “(k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.” “For the purpose of paragraph 1: (e) ‘Torture’ means the intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental….”

          The standard of care is carried out “as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against [unsuspecting patients,] with knowledge […that] the attack will result in “the intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental”–“torture”. There is NO current intent to mitigate the harm resulting from this widespread, systematic exploitation of unsuspecting patients. There is NO current intent to prevent 510(k) human experimentation and the unwarranted, premeditated patient abuse resulting from the regressive training of a surgeon to put their own needs before their patients’ needs.

    • David says:

      Hi Lisa,

      FYI…I posted a response to your question yesterday, April 8 at 1:23 pm (Pacific Standard Time). Currently my comment is still awaiting moderation, so hopefully I didn’t say anything too politically incorrect.

  6. Richard Howden aka All Meshed Up says:

    Gosh, where to start? We need a Senator or Congressman to become involved in our plight. We need News reports and “Investigative ” reporting that exposes what is happening to perhaps a million people in this Country that have been implanted, whether or not they have symptoms(now) from their Surgical Mesh. We still have no idea what this plastic is doing to us for the long run. We have the pain and scars etc but what is becoming more apparent as more people join the conversation is that there is a real possibility of Chemical Leeching from the Polypropylene. Too many people are reporting similar symptoms that have nothing to do with what is “normal” Mesh problems, such as Immune System disorders, blood disorders, infections and Glandular problems.

    But again I say this, until the FDA is brought to task by someone in Congress or the Senate, we will not see any changes in the Medical Community nor in the Court system. When background is needed for any Mesh investigation, no matter who it is, the first placce they are going to go to is the FDA. And the FDA continues to deny any mass problems with Surgical Mesh except for their recent public inquiry to have It categorized as a Class II Medical Device. Even that miserable excuse for a “change” in the designation is stalled and has gone NO WHERE.

    Bruce Rosenberg and I have spoken with several Investigator’s with the FDA’s Criminal Investigative Division and sent them video and hardcopy evidence of J&J/Ethicons deceptive and fraudulent product information, advertising and warnings concerning their Hernia Mesh products. We have sent the same evidence to the U.S. Attorney Generals Office, The Dept of Justice and a couple dozen State officials with no other comment than “We will look into this”. To be truthful, I am at a total loss of what to do next other than storming J&J and start taking hostages.( Just joking but hey! )

    Why the fact that there are now, what, 70,000+ cases hitting the Courts as we speak but no one seems to notice is beyond me. As David said, if this had been Fido or Fee Fee that was harmed by a product, food or otherwise, we would have the FDA SWAT team storming the business, in front of News Cameras, and parading Company Officials out in handcuffs! But for some reason, 100,000 women and God knows how many men are not enough to garner a “nod” from anyone in our Government. Therefore, we who are the Mesh Injured, percieve all sorts of nefarious plots and schemes throughout our Medical Community and Governmental Agencies, whether or not they are true. ( I believe they are true but then again I am being treated for PTSD at the V.A. and maybe a bit paranoid.) And the continued silence from the FDA and the Medical Community as to the number and seriousness of injuries due to an ” Approved” and “benign” Medical Device only fuels the speculation that there is a conspiracy to silence us and to ignore us in the name of money and power.

    To those Mesh Injured that see no hope or help, Please believe me when I say that I know exactly how you feel. I have been there and have been close to taking my life because of the pain and hoplessness a few times. Try to make everyday a good day. Hug those that are close to you and tell them what you are going through mentally and physically. Do not lose hope and go to that dark place where your death is the only choice. Believe that there will be a change, no matter what pessamistic shlubs like me say. I believe there will be a “breakthrough” and that we will see Mesh Manufacturer’s being charged with Felonies. If I did not believe that, I would not be here today. The people around you may not understand what has and is going on with you. Bring them on to this site or to the TOPIX Hernia Mesh page and let them read articles and posts from the Mesh Injured. They will start to understand. Your death by suicide has more repruccusions than just your death. The people that are around you will definately not understand that. Stay strong through all adversity is what will stop the Manufacturers and is exactly what they do not want.

    God Bless and Best Wishes………

    • Jane Akre says:

      74,522 cases filed as of April 7 in ONE COURT! The federal court in Charleston WV. This does not include state courts… at least read there were 7,000 or so cases filed in New Jersey against Ethicon if I recall correctly.

    • Lisa (Florida) says:

      Richard, you are my champion! BIG Hugs

  7. Dorothy says:

    Richard, do you think the public view of the mesh situation may be effected by the huge silicone case where after the whole thing was settled woman just started putting it back into their body’s again. More a vanity thing but left a bad impression nonetheless.

  8. Dorothy says:

    Could that make us seem like whiners to the public.

  9. Me says:

    I went to Hilary Clintons web site and wrote a letter…with elections coming up you would think at least one candidate would value our vote….. I will vote for the first person to acknowledge this mesh as an injustice. No matter what party they are.

  10. Richard Howden aka All Meshed Up says:

    Hello Dorthy, it was found that the silicone was leaked through punctured or damaged implants. I do not think that after this all comes out there will be one person on this planet that will want to have Polypropylene implant unless they never heard of it. There are just too many Mesh Injured just here in the U.S.A. much less what has been happening abroad.

    Best Wishes……

  11. Bec says:

    I went today had another procedure, and they are going to use cadaver parts to try and repair the damage that has been done to me. I have yet another surgery in two weeks. Surgery number 5. I wish they could feel the way I do for one day. I had muscles ripped from my body and the Dr didn’t feel it necessary to inform me, when the first sling popped out and through my incision, ripping my vaginal wall. I’m sure had this happened to one of their private parts, took away their sexuality, emasculated them, the story would be different. I have a wonderful hand compassionate Dr now, he told me today, you are a beautiful lady, so well put together, you need your life back. In all reality, and what he doesn’t know, the reason I take such care in my appearance is its the only thing, the only clinging grasp of an ounce of womanhood I feel I still have. Thank you Ethicon

  12. cari says:

    Help me, I’ve misplaced Dr. Veronokis’

    Phone number and address. I have an appointment next

    week, and need to talk to you for just a couple minutes. (I promise)

    Cari Clymer

    618-292-4156

  13. Dorothy says:

    I hope you’re right Richard. If I had a choice on going to one event only to help with public awareness it would be the June 2 meeting in West Virginia. I think the best all around impact would be that one. We’d have to be very well behaved, might be hard for some who are very angry, that would be most of us. Thank you Jane for all your efforts to get us going. It’s the only way to move along.

  14. Richard Howden aka All Meshed Up says:

    I think June 2nd would be a great time to show up. I also think that we need to get together in DC and call every politician we could to DEMAND their attendence or at least to investigate the why’s of what we are protesting.

    And you are right, Dorthy, there are a lot of really pissed off AND depressed Mesh Victims out there. Every day I correspond with another Mesh Injured man or women who has lost or is in the process of loseing everything that they have worked for and loved in their lives. I try not to cry when I try to give them some hope, some answers when there is so much pain in their lives. Saying that I understand or that I have been there just does not cut it for me anymore. I need, we all need answers. because we will not be the same as we aere before the Mesh.

    Best Wishes to All………

    • Bec Canterbury says:

      I live 45 minutes from Charleston and have cleared my schedule to be there.

    • Lisa (Florida) says:

      I’ll be there on June 2nd if I have to walk there! So glad you guys agree, it is a very important date. Everybody who’s Anybody will be there. All the decision makers. The Status Conference will be in the Judges Chambers I’m sure. BUT, they’ll have to walk past us and into the front doors of the courthouse to get there. And yes, as angry as we are, this must be a peaceful gathering. As long as we show up in numbers with support for one another, it will send them a very powerful message and give them something to consider before they meet with the Judge.

      Dorothy, Richard, David, Bec and anyone else who’s interested in the rallies, please join the MAM group, even if its just for offering your awesome advice 🙂

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/MeshAwarenessMovement/

  15. Toni says:

    My original lawsuit from Kansas was filed in New Jersey does anyone know am I still in New Jersey or have they combined them all to West Virginia. If we are some still in New Jersey why have they not had any trials at all there, Toni

    • Bec Canterbury says:

      Toni you can gogle your name as it is listed on your lawsuit v. the company name then mesh and it will bring up your suite and where it is listed ie. Jane Doe v. Ethicon mesh

  16. suffering in pain says:

    No amount of money will take away this terrible pain . It will however pay the bills that need to be paid. I cannot work. I cannot even focus. I don’t know how I will ever learn how to cope with such terrible pain. I see a neurologist, a pain specialist abd I go to physical therapy. I also see a psychologist so I won’t kill my self and I can cope. I had a good life before this pain. I worked for a doctor in the medical field and now I don’t trust doctors. I lay here in my bed day after day wishing I could just sleep but sleep never comes . I toss and turn all night long. My husband says I cry out in pain in what little sleep I get. I just want it to all end.

    • Jane Akre says:

      Kristine-

      I hate to hear about your suffering,,, please let me know about your removal attempts… clearly it hasn’t worked and you need more help…I’m so sorry… janeakre@meshnewsdesk.com

    • shonni blankenship says:

      I feel for you…its like your life has been stolen from you

      Hopes and dreams no longer seem possible

      The map of future plans ripped out of your hands and replaced with a new

      One….unfamiliar landscapes loom ahead…roads to travel destroyed

      destinations now dead ends….roads blocked…..Noway out…..no directions

      Available from others…..I hope your family supports you and tries to

      Understand…..we thought we were jumping off 100 foot cliff with a parachute

      Turned out. To be much higher than anticipated…..and ohhhhhh…

      They lied about the parachute….

      But they handed us a map….broken compass….

      And a new pair of shoes…..

      We have to support each other

  17. Thank You. My lawyer won’t even tell me that much. Seems like they are just witing to get paid but what are they doing not a thing.

  18. missie kelly says:

    I had mesh put in in the year 2004 and from about the 3rd day after it I became very ill and stayed that way until this past year when the figured out fianlly it was the Mesh. I just went through my second removal surgery with 2 more to go at least. This one though was because the Mesh had MIGRATED to my legs and had to be removed from my upper leg area. The surgery was 7 weeks ago and I am still healing and can barely walk. I was hospitalized 2 months ago because I was taking another medication that actually has the same compound in it that the mesh has and I became toxic on the medication and almost died. I have since found out that because I am allergic to the mesh and that s what made me so sick all these years that the stuff that is in the mesh is in a lot of other things, like the medication I was on. All I know is I am sick of being sick withthis posion in me and the fact that it has done so much damage to my nerves in my legs and pain in my private area and I still had bleeding up until last years surgery even though I had a total hysterectomy back in 2004. The next surgery, which can’t happen for at least a year because of this surgery I had I have to heal fully first, is supposedly the wrst as it is in the buttocks (intestines and such) , then the last one is my hips as apparently there are anchorings that they are not sure if it is made of the same material.

    So I have 2 more years of all this to go through and that is only if the surgeries go right with no complications and if I make it that long with all thhis making me sick from not knowing what may have the compound in it and who knows if I toucch something or ingest something and have an allergic reaction so bad it kills me!

    • Jane Akre says:

      Someone asked me about a lab to test the toxins in the body coming from mesh. I suggested Jordi Lab which has been contracted by Anderson Law in Cleveland.

  19. OK my case is filed in new jersey with almost 8000 other women. So my question is first why are ours in New Jersey not west Virginia, Second why are none of these cases going to trial? Could it be that Johnson and Johnson is Based there so therefore the Justice dept catters to them I.E. money talks. I need help understanding all this and also why would I be forced to wait and not try my case local. Does anyone know the answers. Please help me understand.

    • Bejah says:

      Toni, I think that if your defendant is Ethicon/Johnson and Johnson their corporate offices are in New Jersey, thus that state. I believe that the corporate home state, where they have set up their DBA (Doing Business As…) and all that, is where an action against them would be filed. Having said that, it may be that where the cases are grouped together in MDL’s (Multi District Litigations) are concerned, those cases may be held in a different (Federally selected?) location. Jane can address this far better than I as can others but at least this will give you some idea. I guess we are all learning a lot more about the law than we ever planned to!

      Bejah

      • Barb says:

        One thing that’s a positive part of being in an MDL case is that WE don’t go to court Bejah!!! So sorry to hear your wife promised you some money when she recieves her’s and I think their should be money’s awarded to partners husbands wifes GF and BF as they stick by your side to try to help, if nothing else listening.

  20. Tammy ( KY) says:

    Toni, your Atty filed your case. He would have all your answers. I would call and speak with his legal aid. Remember, each time you call, they charge for their time. I always try to make it a short conversation. Sad, but true. Praying for you.

    Lisa, see ya in WV June 2, call ya soon. Be blessed my mesh sisters. God will prevail!!!!!

    • Lisa (Florida) says:

      I believe Tammy’s right, your case would be in the court that your Atty filed it in. For whatever reason, he didn’t file it with the MDL court. And yes your Atty will charge you for those phone conversations, so talk fast and keep it short.

      Tammy, lets talk soon. Hugs and Blessings

  21. Dorothy says:

    Charleston,WV is 7 hours drive from where I live in Michigan. Not bad at all so I’ll be there June 2. Anyone want to go with Jane has my phone number.

  22. tammy says:

    I’m in texas so wish i could go im down to being homeless now but i know now i have got to find some way to fight back this i have lessened to all the lies from my lawyer not doing it no more can’t i would like to go to the doctor Jane was talking about but have no money for that my god im so down the lies how can this really happening i want to wake up from this night mare please what ever i did wrong in my life if this is how im paying for i’ve had enough going here at least i can see im not the only one in this torment do they just want us all dead this is so crazy im ready to fight now no more lies broke but what can i do please some one let me know …..!!!!!

  23. Bec says:

    Ok so I have a crazy idea, it appears I am one of the closest to Charleston, I go down once a week to see a client. I’m 50 minutes away. My attorneys say I’m not to talk about it on social media, that’s fine but I really feel I have to be there for this. I am having a huge reconstruction surgery May 18th but I am determined to be there. So here is my idea if we can figure out who all is going to be there and if anyone who can’t be there can send a ribbon with their state on it and those of us that can be there can tie all the ribbons together and hold them up for those who can’t be to show solidarity, I really think it would at least make those who can’t be there feel like a part and let other see we are fighting. I work in the courts in this area, I work with families and addiction and I am going to talk to a couple of legislators I know next week. But not sure how involved they would be willing to be.

    • Lisa (Florida) says:

      Bec I think the ribbon idea is awesome! We’ve been discussing the idea of everyone sending a piece of fabric to be sewn into a quilt, and taking the quilt to all the rallies. Then, when all this is over, presenting the quilt to Jane for all she has done for us.

      Maybe we can do both? The quilt will take some time and not sure if it will be ready for June 2, but the ribbons will work!

      please read the other posts about the rallies on the “Welcome MAM” section here on the News Desk.

      I look forward to meeting you in WV!

      http://meshmedicaldevicenewsdesk.com/welcome-mam-mesh-awareness-movement-gathers-women-in-support

      • Lisa (Florida) says:

        OH and sometimes….. Crazy is good! 🙂

      • Bejah says:

        Lisa, I have a lot of fabric samples. They are upolstery samples so I think they would work well in a quilt project. I would be happy to contribute some. Let me know. Great idea, FYI.

        Bejah

        • Lisa (Florida) says:

          Bejah, YES on the fabric! We can use it as fillers or trim. I’m working on the announcement for the Mesh Quilt Project, but I have to get a PO Box so I can tell everyone where to send their quilt square. I’m a little apprehensive about publishing my home address 🙂 But as soon as I get the PO Box, I’ll post it on here and the MAM Facebook page. THANK YOU

          • Bejah says:

            Lisa, I do not want to post my address, or phone but you can get them from Jane if you don’t mind. I will send the swatches….how many do you want assuming an average of 10″ x 15″ or so? We should have colors. Lets have people submit color suggestions and go with majority? My ideas would be (red, purple and white). Red for passion and it is the color of our blood, our pain, our woman-ness, our woundedness. Purple is for healing and hope and depth of feeling. White is for purity, for truth. I am working on the wording for your draft press release which will be a gift to you. I want no credit or compensation. Suggest you use the copyright glyph you can find in WORD symbols, just a good habit to get into even though it is understood much of the time. Give me a couple of days. I have your email address, thanks.

            Bejah

          • Bejah says:

            Lisa, Do you have the PO Box yet? Don’t want to miss it.

            Bejah

  24. Tammy ( KY) says:

    Bec, That is a GREAT idea. Hope to see you there, WV. Be blessed.

  25. Dorothy says:

    Tamil, can’t you go to Human resources and apply for help. I don’t think they will turn you down. Get yourself some help and cheer up.

    • Bejah says:

      Be careful of Human Resources. Remember they report to the company management and they are generally NOT your friend.

      Bejah

  26. Dorothy says:

    Tammy, Human resources will get you on Medicaid, give you food stamps. Then find the best Bud housing units in your area. You won’t be homeless for very long. You have not done anything to deserve this cross you’re bearing, the same cross all mesh injured are bearing. Don’t beat yourself up like that. You are valuable, you are loved. Try to get to WV on June 2nd. I feel that date is so important.

  27. Dorothy says:

    Hud housing, my phone argues with me.

  28. Bejah says:

    I have just had a thought that may be helpful. Years ago when I first got involved in conference and event planning I did an event at the Beverly Hilton Hotel. I sent press releases to all the news media telling them why they would want to cover this event. Guess what? They came, CBS, NBC, ABC. They had film crews and the opening day of the event was covered on the evening news. The event was for financial investment. IF we can create an event…that means getting at least 20-50 people to attend with perhaps protect signs, a permit to demonstrate, megaphones and leaders familiar with keeping a crowd on target and cohesive….then we can also create a press release and distribute it. There is a good chance we could get some coverage depending on what else is going on that day. JNJ may create a diversion, I put nothing past them. Lets think about this, discuss it off website as defendants are no doubt having flunkies monitor us.

    Bejah

    • Tammy ( KY) says:

      I think that is an awesome idea Bejah. I believe there is going to be some women there June 2. To date there is going to be 5 women from Ky. Hope to see you there.

      • Bejah says:

        Hi Tammy, I so wish I could come. I live in CA and at present I can not even afford my medication every month. Just hanging on trying to find happiness, however simple, in each day. It is all I have now.

        Bejah

  29. Tammy (KY) says:

    Bejah, If there is anything I can do to help email me. Kymeshed@gmail.com

    • Bejah says:

      Tammy, You all need to make this happen. You can do it. Get a team together. I can edit for you or provide a rough draft to get you going and so can Jane I expect as she is the professional. I am in too much pain and I am so tired all the time. So it is I who must ask you how I can help. Who can step up and help Tammy, take the lead if she needs that. Courage…we need to muster our courage and let our passion fuel our efforts.

      Bejah

  30. Lisa (Florida) says:

    Bejah, Tammy (KY) Its a plan! We definitely need to inform the press! I’m preparing a press release and will be happy to send them to all who want to distribute them! We need to contact every form of media we can think of and let them know we’ll be there on June 2nd.

    (I’m also trying to find out if we need a “peaceful protest” permit)

    • Bejah says:

      You go girl! GOD bless you. Who among us can team up with Tammy? I can edit but that is all I am good for now. Thank you so much Tammy for running with this. Remember that one person can make a difference, even change the world.

      Bejah

    • Bejah says:

      Lisa, Use large distinctive font for the name of our organization at the top of the press release and below that in a different font, not quite as large but spaced out (2-3 spaces between letters and more between words) just underneath our organization name. I think it was Tammy who came up with a good one and has ordered a banner for June 2nd. You two should be talking. Do not make the press release too long. Make it 3 para’s long or so. Make it objective, factual, enticing, newsworthy, and not emotional.

      You have to produce people. Idea, go to Universities in the area, to the womens campus organizations and tell them about this womens issue and get their support and ask them to show up for the June 2 event. What about NOW, the women;s organization, and other womens organizations…have we mailed them information? Do we have a website for our organization. Do we have a website designer in our midst who could design our website? We will need advertisers to support the cost of the site. This is just the beginning.

      We should check to see if we can tell what awards were in jury trials for other defendant products for comparative purposes. Hope you all had a peaceful weekend.

      Bejah

  31. Tammy ( KY) says:

    Bejah, You are a wonderful help dear. I get my courage from all of you. God please guide us. I would love a rough draft. Lisa, give me a call and let me know what you need me to do. I’m not on facebook. My email Bejah…

    Kymeshed@gmail.com

    • Bejah says:

      Tammy, I got a little mixed up and replied to Lisa…anyway I have your email and will send you something in a couple of days to get you started.

      Bejah

      • Bejah says:

        Make that a couple more days….thanks for your patience. Where is everyone else? How many have said they are going to June 2nd? What happened at the JNJ stockholders meeting? Did I miss something? Did they cancel it? Were we there?

        I propose a motion: We allow votes on an organization name and list maybe five. Give people a week to vote. If they do not vote we (Those of us who are communicating) will select the name and start work on other organizational aspects. Those who are silent watchers…why, why won’t you speak or help in some way. This is being done for you, for all of us.

        Bejah

  32. Lisa (Florida) says:

    MAM Rally, Charleston West Virginia, June 2nd, 2015. I contacted the City of Charleston and found out we do NOT need a permit. However, there are guidelines we need to follow such as; No loudspeakers or amplified equipment, we cannot block or obstruct sidewalks or entrances, etc.

    We CAN chant and we CAN hold signs/banners. I would love to see enough people there to line-up single, on both sides of the entrance, all the way up to the doors of the courthouse!

    • Bejah says:

      Sounds great, good recon. Wish I could come. CA is a long way from there and I have no money for crabcakes! Any chance we could film this and upload to UTUBE. Have we been doing this at events? If not we should. Jane can use perhaps in her film under production. Thanks Lisa.

      • Tammy ( KY) says:

        I’ll video with my phone Bejah. You will be with us in Spirit. Maybe we will get copy of tape from media….praying

        • Bejah says:

          Thanks Tammy. I was thinking (I think I was sleeping)…I think we need a logo as part of the putting together an organizational structure so they do not see us as a bunch of hysterial women which they have always done….here is an idea to get us thinking about a logo:

          MMWW = Medical Mesh Wounded Women

          MMWW = Medical Mesh Wounded Warriors

          Remember from my first creative writing class: Tell people what you are going to talk about, Para 2 Tell them, Para 3 Tell them what you told them….sounds redundant but just get the words on paper then edit til you have your finished product.

          Bejah

  33. Tammy ( KY) says:

    I contacted ABC, NBC and FOX all in Charleston WV. I’m going to call again the week before. I pray we have enough women to do both sides. Thank you Jane for all your support and for your vision of this wonderful website. Be blessed ladies….

    • Bejah says:

      Tammy, Strongly suggest you FAX a written press release a couple of days before. They have production meetings every morning, sometimes the night before and that is when a press release has the best shot of being discussed. A phone call may not get the desired result. Your call.

      Bejah

  34. Bejah says:

    My guess whould be that JNJ/Ethicon is cutting its shareholders meeting short because of issues like ours. It suggests to me they are feeling the heat. My mother had GM stock and used to go to big lavish stockholders luncheons. That sounds a lot different than what JNJ is doing this year. Let’s keep the pressure on them and ourselves.

    Bejah

  35. Tammy (KY) says:

    Bejah, Thank you so much. What great suggestions. Be blessed Lady, so wish you could be with us.

    • Bejah says:

      I do also Tammy, I really do. I have a couple of thoughts to share with our people…if there is an event closer to me I will try to ride share with someone but to date no offers when I have asked.

      Some of us have commented that we have been diagnosed with Bursitis post implant. I am now wondering if we should expect other sites where the bursa become inflamed and trouble us once we have one. I hope not. If so, I may need to start sleeping hanging upside down!

      My dentist has asked for literature that discusses suspected damage to teeth from the toxic mesh. I wonder what I can send him. Evidently many of us have had serious damage to our teeth post implant. In recent months I was diagnosed with several cavaties (I never had any), grinding of teeth, biting down hard unconsciously due to stress causing stress fracture, thinning of teeth, and loss of enamel and broken and cracked teeth. Presently I am taking 500MG of Penicilin three times a day due to an infection in my jaw above a broken front tooth. The dentist will try to cap it in May. This made me wonder about our bones. Maybe we should have bone density tests every two years if we can. Perhaps we should begin to collect data on this and other problems that come up.

      Take care,

      Bejah

  36. Mesh Nightmare says:

    Please donate to MAM 6/2 rally: http://www.gofundme.com/rm62j64

    • Bejah says:

      Dear Sisters and Brothers,

      I am donating on May 1st. Thanks for the reminder….MM maybe you should issue them every few days now…I am still waiting for address to send fabric samples to for the memorial quilt for Jane. Also, I am going to go into the little print shop here and ask what the cost would be to print posters with the logo…the red circle with word MESH in center and line through it designed after Euro road signs. Will check for cost of rubber stamp with contact info., but what contact info do we want on these. I think using rubber stamp for this will be cheaper than printing it. Will check. If price sounds good I will post info. and plan on ordering some and sending them to someone in advance of June 2nd. The problem with hand made signs is they are labor intensive and often the camera does not see them. We need to start getting a list of people who have committed to going for June 2nd event. If anyone is going from So. CA I would like to ride share but will need to bring my tent and sleeping bag! Back to signing…better to have fewer signs that are professionally done IMHO. Love ya, What became of the wonderful idea of a ribbon. We should do that and it should be relatively inexpensive. It does not even have to say anything. I vote for purple and I am going to make one and start wearing it and when people ask me what it is for I will tell them!

      Bejah

      • Jane Akre says:

        Bejah-

        Thank you for the sentiments but there should be no quilt for me, only for those injured by experimental mesh! Maybe I misunderstood. Thank you. also I’m not collecting any samples, do you have someone who is coordinating this? Thanks so much for understanding.

        • Bejah says:

          Jane, One in the community suggested a quilt be created for you with contributed pieces of (symbolic) fabric from all of us to thank you for your efforts on out behalf. Personally I think it would be a very healing effort that would help us all bond and it would provide a meaningful way for the community to express their thanks to you (So long as they do not ask me to sew…I do not sew, iron or dust! And of course I understand. I can not remember who initiated the nice idea but I will write her. Yes, there is someone who would collect the fabric pieces but I still do not have an address thus my thought that I might send them to you but we can rethink that…not to worry. The last thing you need is a pile of fabric at your front door., right?

          Bejah

          • Jane Akre says:

            Bejah- I so agree with you…a quilt representing the mesh-injured community would be very healing,and could be on display outside of these trials…. Preferably with a small photo of each woman. Is anyone a seamstress? This will be one enormous quilt, with name, location, photo and a message….. not for me but to go to the trials. It would generate media attention, finally. We need that. I’m tired of the media blackout.

    • Bejah says:

      Lisa, Just visited your gofundme MESHAWARENESSMOVEMENT page….well done. So good to see someone is doing something now about June 2nd. I will be making my donation in a couple of days as soon as all my payments clear my account.

      Bejah

      Even if everyone contributed a couple of dollars it would add up. I know every dollar is appreciated.

  37. Tammy (KY) says:

    Bejah, I have ordered a 6 ft sign that is trimmed in purple and has BIG BOLD BLACK letters that says ” Mesh Awareness Movement”. I think the Mesh with circle and line thru it is great also. I hope you find a ride. I’m praying. You will be with us in spirit. God bless ladies.

    • Bejah says:

      Tammy, You’re sign sounds great, really excellent to me. The idea of the circle with the line through it in red and black was not my idea but I offered to do a prelim sketch for approval of our community. I am going to try to scan a rough cut and post it here and hope there are responses, comments, suggestions, especially from the original idea person.

      “Hello, anyone out there?” 🙂

      Bejah

    • Bejah says:

      Tammy, I just found your email address so will be sending you a rough cut of the icon another member designed. Need to find her name. Also can I send check for expenses (small, sorry) and who should I send fabric too, Jane does not want the responsibility and I completely understand that , of course. If you think we should wait until post June 2nd event for quilt project I will wait but will need to know who to send it to. Jane declines with gratitude and suggests we do it for sufferers. What a fabulous idea. Remember the AIDs quilt which visits different cities? Why can we not do that? We can get museums or others to display the quilt and have literature, donation opportunities at county fairs, etc. Thoughts, anyone, Tammy?

      Bejah

      • Bejah says:

        Post script for Tammy and others,

        On the 13th I will be sending overnight package with a modest check, and some renderings for consideration along with some fabric swatches. Please give me an address of some sort to use. Again Jane has my phone, and all addressing info.

        After some agreement/acceptance from those active in this effort (or these efforts) I will post logos, etc. to Jane’s website here assuming it will accept the JPEG and other formats.

        Bejah

  38. Tammy (KY) says:

    Hello Bejah,

    Sorry just had surgery last week, again. I believe Lisa from Fla is working with quilt. She has a go fund set up. My address is Tamila.Jackson65@gmail.com. Email me anytime. God bless

  39. Tammy (KY) says:

    I believe the first conference is at 930. Maybe we should meet around 830. What does everyone else think?

  40. jan says:

    How do u find out what their u are in. This is a new one.

  41. jan says:

    Tier ur in how do u find out in your case.

  42. Tammy (KY) says:

    Jan

    Your atty can answer that question. Be blessed.

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